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Yikes 12G. Now THAT'S a logo we should ALL be afraid of!
Oh contrary, mon Harry. They are the original anon.
I dare you to read this: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Days_of_Wa..._of_Love/A

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Dare accepted. And as the text warns, I immediately thought of this as a NWO project. Extremely interesting stuff 12G, thanks for sharing.
You win. Congrats. The IWW deserves a thread here... I will gather the most relevant propaganda :)
You don't need my blessing!
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(07-07-2011 08:49 AM)12GaugeAngel Wrote: [ -> ]Oh contrary, mon Harry. They are the original anon.
I dare you to read this: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Days_of_Wa..._of_Love/A

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Ok so i kinda agree with some of the stuff that this person is talking about, but this person is seriously deluted. the world needs some kind of law and order, i mean yea we should all think for ourselves and not always listen to athorities when they are deffintly in the wrong, but as far as going complete anarchy thats ludacris. They go on to write that people would be prone to do good rather than evil becuase it makes them feel better. We all know this is BS there are so many people out there that are born with chemical imbalances in there head "which is a real problem in todays society" there are many people out there that would rape and murder and slaughter each other becuase that in there minds that is what makes them feel good, so they say to themselves oh look i think ill rape and kill this woman today becuase it makes me happy and since theirs no laws to stop me maybe ill do two wemen not just one. This kinda thinkink is what will lead us to and evil world and yea i say evil becuase i do believe in GOD because he has been there to save my life more than once.

I dont force my beliefs or my religion on anybody but to have a world of anarchy is just ridiculas, if you stop and think about it, yea we wouldnt have laws or government or athority to control us or tell us what to do, but there would eventually be a bunch of people that would get together and form a group that would take over, the whole planet would turn ino a third world country we would all be fighting for food or for work or for our family and against all the fascist people that would want to take control over everyone so they could be in power. this idea would never work in the REAL world, its a nice thought and this prson obviously put alot of thought, time, and effort in to what he is saying and passiontate about, and i agree that we need a major change in our world but this is not it. I know that alot of you will disagree with what i am saying, and thats fine i understand, but i can only say what i feel is right and express my opinion the way i feel i need too. We need to do what makes us happy and what we feel is right, but we also need bondaries. I like knowing that my kid is protected from pedifiles and rapists becuase there are laws that forbid that. Now i know that these acts still hapeen everyday, but can u imagine what would happen if there were no laws in place to protect your family from these kind of people and we just let them do whatever the hell they want. It would be total chaos!!!

Anarchy is not the way we resolve our worlds problems, not saying that being conformed is right either, but its a hell of alot better than letting all the crazy people run this ship. If you u dont have a family or kids i would not expect you to understand my point, but if you do then i hope you can understand why i feel the way i feel about this subject.
My initial reaction: I think you may have a stigma about the word anarchy. if it helps you out, call it self-governance.
(07-07-2011 12:49 PM)darkworld Wrote: [ -> ]Ok so i kinda agree with some of the stuff that this person is talking about, but this person is seriously deluted. the world needs some kind of law and order, i mean yea we should all think for ourselves and not always listen to athorities when they are deffintly in the wrong, but as far as going complete anarchy thats ludacris.
I disagree. I think living in a hierarchical society is ludacris. I don't want to answer to any higher (earthly) power than myself. I also get no pleasure from wielding power over others... other than the power of knowledge that is... i am a huge big-time shill after all... right? riiiiight? just kidding... but seriously.

(07-07-2011 12:49 PM)darkworld Wrote: [ -> ]They go on to write that people would be prone to do good rather than evil becuase it makes them feel better. We all know this is BS there are so many people out there that are born with chemical imbalances in there head "which is a real problem in todays society" there are many people out there that would rape and murder and slaughter each other becuase that in there minds that is what makes them feel good, so they say to themselves oh look i think ill rape and kill this woman today becuase it makes me happy and since theirs no laws to stop me maybe ill do two wemen not just one. This kinda thinkink is what will lead us to and evil world and yea i say evil becuase i do believe in GOD because he has been there to save my life more than once.
I disagree. There are many people that do terrible things, sure. But they do them regardless of the law. That's how they end up on cnn... they do it anyway and get caught. People with physical mental illness, like a chemical imbalance, they will always be around. Citizens of the western world just expect superman to swoop in or something... "the police will protect us"... "any time i see something bad i just call the cops and wait until they save me."... Why dont we think and act for ourselves???? "wasn't my house getting robbed" "wasn't my face getting stabbed" "wasn't my puppy getting kicked"... I also don't subscribe to that mentality either.

if people weren't so governed by the hierarchy, people would have to protect themselves and its usually known for QUITE a while when someone is a threat. people would take action because they would be personally motivated to protect their own.

Let's say we eliminate government. What will be the thing that pushes them all over the edge to go shoot someone at the top of their perceived hierarchy? I have to wonder if they are guaranteed to find their edge. they might sit happily on lunatic cliff their whole life without feeling oppressed, taken advantage of, lied to, etc. who knows?

That single point aside, we are too reliant on our hierarchy in my opinion. We dont protect ourselves, we dont educate our children, we dont know where our food comes from, we blindly accept what we're told, we loved school so we must love work!!! right??? we toil away at pointless jobs that have really zero impact on our society. whats the point?? to serve our hierarchy. thats what we have to do... thats america.

(07-07-2011 12:49 PM)darkworld Wrote: [ -> ]I dont force my beliefs or my religion on anybody but to have a world of anarchy is just ridiculas, if you stop and think about it, yea we wouldnt have laws or government or athority to control us or tell us what to do, but there would eventually be a bunch of people that would get together and form a group that would take over, the whole planet would turn ino a third world country we would all be fighting for food or for work or for our family and against all the fascist people that would want to take control over everyone so they could be in power.
The people can still be connected to each other. if we had any spines we would surely fight against the group. no? Besides communal living is the way our earth wants us to live. small farms, less travel/pollution. my opinion of course. that lifestyle is far more honest than modern business.

(07-07-2011 12:49 PM)darkworld Wrote: [ -> ]this idea would never work in the REAL world, its a nice thought and this prson obviously put alot of thought, time, and effort in to what he is saying and passiontate about, and i agree that we need a major change in our world but this is not it.
I disagree. I hear fear in that statement. It may never work in your perceived/conditioned view of the world and humanity. Anyway, I don't expect it to happen at any moment, but at least a nudge in that direction is ideal IMO.

Anarchy is a word that comes from the Greek, and signifies, strictly speaking, "without government"

Here's an example of a modern anarchy, an autonomous neighborhood, they have been thriving and evolving since 1971 and have collectively decided the rules and they all self-enforce. they have even evicted groups that were trouble makers. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freetown_Christiania
of course the surrounding government try to shut them down... but they want to live that way. is it wrong?

heres a list of modern anarchies:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ana...ommunities

(07-07-2011 12:49 PM)darkworld Wrote: [ -> ]I know that alot of you will disagree with what i am saying, and thats fine i understand, but i can only say what i feel is right and express my opinion the way i feel i need too.
Understood. I obviously disagree with your current perspective, but I won't hold it against you. Self-governance, right?

(07-07-2011 12:49 PM)darkworld Wrote: [ -> ]We need to do what makes us happy and what we feel is right, but we also need bondaries. I like knowing that my kid is protected from pedifiles and rapists becuase there are laws that forbid that. Now i know that these acts still hapeen everyday, but can u imagine what would happen if there were no laws in place to protect your family from these kind of people and we just let them do whatever the hell they want. It would be total chaos!!!

Anarchy is not the way we resolve our worlds problems, not saying that being conformed is right either, but its a hell of alot better than letting all the crazy people run this ship. If you u dont have a family or kids i would not expect you to understand my point, but if you do then i hope you can understand why i feel the way i feel about this subject.

I can make my own boundaries and get by without killing hookers. That's me, I don't mean to speak for you, but its a fact. I would actually be much more motivated to do positive things because I would feel the impact reverberate through my community.

anyway... my soapbox needs a break. party on wayne.
BTW

I only default to "no government" because I haven't seen a single system that works. When one is invented, I'm right there with ya.
listen i agree with everyone being accountable for themselves and i protect my family and my friends from anybody who would try to hurt them weather it be cops government or a psycho. i dont agree with the rules that are in place, but i am saying that their has to be some kinda rules so you dont have a world or people wondering around like idiots becuase they dont know what to do. now with that being said there is that small percent of people who could handle no laws and no rules but in general there would be mass chaos. again this is just my opinion and im not trying to make enemies for the way i feel but i also cant change the fact that i feel this way. I am not a stupid person (i cant always spell well) but im not stupid. i hate our government and i know when push comes to shove it will be us against them and i am well prepared with ammo guns and food in my storage. i take a lot of what is said on here seriously and enjoy adding my two cents, just remember im fighting with yeenz not against.
We are just talking. No way this will make you an enemy. When push comes to shove, I embrace strong opinions on subjective matters. I may not agree, but that's ok. Blindly accepting what I say is just as bad as blindly accepting what our public puppets say.

Anyway, I want to offer one more thought. Without government, wars on global scale wouldn't occur. These are huge orchestrated bloodbaths in which many thousands of pawns get lead to the fray to enforce the opinions of a few power grabbing fascists who meanwhile sit comfortably on their $50000 couches and get served $100 lunches. Between bites they order the killing of innocent pedestrians...

If wars were eliminated, yet we needed to defend against chaos/psychos, I think we would still settle out with more innocent lives spared. who knows?

Just my .02
Why is that we want a penny for your thoughts but then you give two cents? Seems to me like someone is making out with $0.01!
Give me an inch...
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(07-07-2011 06:43 PM)12GaugeAngel Wrote: [ -> ]We are just talking. No way this will make you an enemy. When push comes to shove, I embrace strong opinions on subjective matters. I may not agree, but that's ok. Blindly accepting what I say is just as bad as blindly accepting what our public puppets say.

Anyway, I want to offer one more thought. Without government, wars on global scale wouldn't occur. These are huge orchestrated bloodbaths in which many thousands of pawns get lead to the fray to enforce the opinions of a few power grabbing fascists who meanwhile sit comfortably on their $50000 couches and get served $100 lunches. Between bites they order the killing of innocent pedestrians...

If wars were eliminated, yet we needed to defend against chaos/psychos, I think we would still settle out with more innocent lives spared. who knows?

Just my .02

Yea i agree angel i would rather shoot the psychos and crazies rather than spen billions of dollars and have all our troops away from there families, fighting these stupid ass exspensive wars!!!

Party on garth; yea party on wayne
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