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Connectingdots; 10Xmore debunk, a forum poll, and the bet

01112012, 05:48 PM
(This post was last modified: 01122012 12:39 AM by Markvette.)
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Connectingdots; 10Xmore debunk, a forum poll, and the bet
CD has been pushing his ten times more pure since anyone can remember, right?
And he insists the entire forum is in his corner and thinks his 'fussy' math adds up. I finally figured out the math to prove him wrong. Please review my work. I show that the Maple is .1% more pure (onetenth of one percent) Then, vote in the pole if you think I'm right. Or, if you think I'm wrong. You can chose any two options of the four presented (Two votes, in other words) The poll is anonymous. For your consideration: Lets get some perspective. If something is ten times more, you should be able to multiply it by ten and arrive at ten times more than the multiplier. Correct? 10 x 10 apples is 100 apples and so on. But when you are dealing with decimals, in effect, fractions of whole numbers, 10 times a decimal will move the point one place to the right. Yes? .101 x 10 = 1.01 10.00 x 10.00 = 100.00 10.00 x 100.00 = 1000.00 CD thinks since you increase one place to the left by multiplying by ten, you can increase one place to the right of the decimal when you multiply by ten. WRONG! Examples follow: To increase the digits to the left you must multiply by a whole number. 10 (ten) x10 100 x10 1000 x10 10000 And, to increase the digits to the right you must multiply by a decimal: .1 (one tenth) x.1 .01 x.1 .001 x.1 .0001 If what he claims was true we would simply take .999 and times it by 10. But ... It doesn't work! As stated above; multiply by ten, and the decimal moves to the right. .999 x10 9.99 Here's the REAL equation: enter .999 hit the + key enter .1 hit the % key Hit the = key (You asked it to add onetenth of one percent to .999) And, voila! You get: .9999 You've been debunked CD! Show me how YOUR math makes 10 X .999 to equal .9999 ! You can't. If it can't be calculated it can't be true. Calculator, long hand, slide rule, or counting fingers and toes  It has to ADD up, or it equals ZERO! I know, you'll call me a troll and say "You can't do math, so why should I show you." Or, "I've already shown how it is ten times more, no need to go over it again." Right? Let's see if the whole forum really is allowing you to speak for all of them and they agree with your fuzzy math sales pitch when they vote in the poll. And just to show how certain I am .... Here's the ultimate wager: PROVE ME WRONG and I'll NEVER POST HERE AGAIN. FAIL and you go away. How sure are you that I'm incorrect? Huh? Let's see! BET? REMEMBER  The proof must be a clean equation  all mathematics. No links to where someone "explains" why. Words can mislead. Mathematics is elegant, pure and incorruptible. Of course when I asked you to honor this simple request, you employed the usual avoidance tactics. If you refuse to accept this challenge, ....Well, I can't speak for anyone but me, But I'm call you a chickshite and unable to prove what you claim. The gauntlet has been thrown down. M V Sorry! There is no website I can refer you to for common sense. That you'll have to develop on your own. "You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe."  Carl Sagan 

01122012, 07:18 AM
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RE: Connectingdots; 10Xmore debunk, a forum poll, and the bet
first off.... it's NOT my Fuzzy Math, this is how Math works, you just seem to have a hard time with Math, that's all.
...so before you go on with this thread mouthing off and name calling me some more, I'll share some info I just quickly dug up along with some old info I posted a while back when I first posted on silver purity and why Canadian Silver Maples are the best & smart choice! ...it's also where 12Gaugeangel,creator,scientificbeing got smartmouth with me, only to find out they were wrong also...hence the reason we no longer see those MOD's as well as the MOD's left in this forum lost their colors and now remain silent and don't dare and try their BS with me anymore,except for 12Gauge but as you've seen he's pretty easy to deal with....however he seems to have a short memory so maybe all this info will revive the "Silver purity" lesson once again. good luck/ bonne chance enjoy....information is the key. Quote: Quote:Three 9 silver or .999 silver is the mathematical equivalent of 99.9%. Three 9 silver is the minimum grade for colloidal silver production. Quote:This review is from: Silver Wire  Pure silver wire for use with the Colloidal Silver Generator, 0.999 pure Quote: Quote:The history and use of our earth's chemical elements: Quote: Quote:Price: $66.00 per oz. ...(just buy Canadian silver maple leafs and hang them over the rim of your jar, connectingdots1) ...and since now many of you might be interested in staying healthy after reading about this colloidal stuff, I figured why not through in a Bonus round and show them all how to make this stuff! How to Make Colloidal Silver Generator 99.99% vs 99.9% Pure Silver Quote:STOP PAYING RETAIL FOR COLLOIDAL SILVER! btw, on my Yt channel under health helpers playlist, you'll find more info on colloidal silver/ionic health facts. LOW GRADE 90% “junk silver” MIDGRADE = USD $ 34.87 ea. .999 PREMIUM GRADE = USD $ 33.82 ea....at low grade prices! .9999 Quote:..." Since it was first struck by the Royal Canadian Mint in 1988, the Canadian Silver Maple Leaf has achieved great popularity. Trusted for its purity (it was the first silver coin ever to achieve a purity level of .9999 fine)..." 

01122012, 12:15 PM
(This post was last modified: 01122012 12:16 PM by Markvette.)
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RE: Connectingdots; 10Xmore debunk, a forum poll, and the bet
(01122012 07:18 AM)connectingdots1 Wrote: first off.... it's NOT my Fuzzy Math, this is how Math works, you just seem to have a hard time with Math, that's all. Information, when misconstrued, is misinformation. That is NOT how math works! You didn't graduate High School, how would you know? Anyone who thinks they can multiply by 10 and increase the decimal places to the right is not using math properly. IF IT DOESN'T fit in an equation, IT IS NOT MATH! In physics, or any discipline that relies on mathematics the theory is expressed in an equation FIRST. Words are used to DESCRIBE the math. Not the other way around. (01122012 07:18 AM)connectingdots1 Wrote: "got smartmouth with me, only to find out they were wrong also...hence the reason we no longer see those MOD's as well as the MOD's left in this forum lost their colors and now remain silent and don't dare and try their BS with me anymore" Look here; I was raised by an extremely domineering Italian mother. 5foot nothing but could kick Boom Boom Mancini's ass in or out of the ring with her rolling pin. When she yelled, the next zip code new Mom was pissed today. The only benefit to that was ... she made us kids fearless. Compared to her, no one on this earth can intimidate me. Certainly not a nobody like you, CD. So cut the "I conquer" and "I cause others to back down" beating your chest like Tarzan routine. I'm immune to that crap, punk. And I never surrender. Ever. Not when I know I'm right. Which brings me to ... AGAIN  And, Yet for a fifth TIME. You have seen my math, enter .999 hit the + key enter .1 hit the % key Hit the = key You get: .9999 (You asked it to add onetenth of one percent to .999 To get an additional .0009 or .1 more pure) Written as: .999 + .1% = .9999 It works. Every time. Plug it into your calculator and you get the calculation necessary to get from .999 to .9999 SHOW ME HOW YOU DO IT WITH THE WHOLE NUMBER 10! 10 times. 10 x ?? You cannot! You have to use a convoluted way, with impurities in tenths of a percent, to try and explain it. You're expressing impurities in tenths to explain a whole number multiplication. And you cannot see how apples and oranges that is. I asked, I EXPRESSLY asked  DON'T DIRECT ME to websites explaining ten times more without the math to back it up. What do you do? Look how many sites you try to show me. And NONE of these have MATH to back it up. Of the ones that say it, they are doing the same thing you are. Stating 10 times more, when it is onetenth more. (01122012 07:18 AM)connectingdots1 Wrote: Each order consist of 2 pieces of 4" Pure 9999 Silver Wire 12gauge. Each of the two pieces is 4 inches in length. Just like you, the above is a sales pitch. No math to back up the misuse of mathematical terms. (01122012 07:18 AM)connectingdots1 Wrote: Three 9 silver or .999 silver is the mathematical equivalent of 99.9%. Three 9 silver is the minimum grade for colloidal silver production. Doesn't even mention "ten times" in the one above. So, now you're wasting my time as well, CD? (01122012 07:18 AM)connectingdots1 Wrote: [quote]This review is from: Silver Wire  Pure silver wire for use with the Colloidal Silver Generator, 0.999 pure You are SUCH a TOOL! The above is written in an AMAZON REVIEW of a product! It could have been YOU who wrote it under that name! Please! CREDIBLE sources, CD! (01122012 07:18 AM)connectingdots1 Wrote: GolfGuy is offline OMG! Getting desperate CD? In the above you're quoting some junior member of a forum named 'golfguy' as an 'expert witness?' This is why I asked you NOT TO DO THIS! NOT to show me MEANINGLESS links. Do NOT waste my time or the folks reading this. If you cannot provide the math, YOU LOSE! (01122012 07:18 AM)connectingdots1 Wrote: [quote] I love this one above! Know why? Because you never bothered TO READ IT. You saw "" Fitness is just a multiple of 10 times the silver content in the item" then copied and pasted. What is 'fitness', CD? Mr. Silver expert? That's what they are describing here. The sentence immediately after what you quoted (and for some reason didn't include) reads: "For instance, sterling silver should be 93% pure silver and 7% copper ... therefore the fitness rating for sterling silver is 930." Meaning 93 times 10 (the multiple) = 930. NOTHING ABOUT TEN TIMES MORE PURE! (01122012 07:18 AM)connectingdots1 Wrote: [quote] CD, YOU MISREPRESENTED the quote "Fitness is just a multiple of 10 times the silver content in the item" in the above link. It is NOT from the quote on that page! So, now you're "filling in" the quoted material with something taken elsewhere to 'bend it' to say what you want it to? And that is what you think is credible? Incredible, more like! The rest is more of the same. NO MATH to back up what you are calling REAL math! No more BS, CD. Write it out, math problem style. 10 x .999 = .9999 That is what you are saying it is. But it doesn't ADD up. SHOW ME in an equation that WORKS, like I SHOW you. Or, GO AWAY FOREVER! M V Sorry! There is no website I can refer you to for common sense. That you'll have to develop on your own. "You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe."  Carl Sagan 

01122012, 12:32 PM
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RE: Connectingdots; 10Xmore debunk, a forum poll, and the bet
Ok hang on... .90 is junk, .925 is sterling and .999 is fine silver in troy ounces... an ounce is just an ounce and fine silver is always .999... am I missing something?
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01122012, 06:33 PM
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RE: Connectingdots; 10Xmore debunk, a forum poll, and the bet
(01122012 12:32 PM)italianlad69 Wrote: Ok hang on... .90 is junk, .925 is sterling and .999 is fine silver in troy ounces... an ounce is just an ounce and fine silver is always .999... am I missing something? You're correct on all points. But there is a finer grade of silver; .9999 that the Canadian Mint refines for its Maple Leaf $5 Silver coins. The weight is 0.03 grams more  nothing of consequence. The purity, however, is .1% (onetenth) finer. Hence the additional decimal place. CD insists it isn't .1% finer, but "ten times" finer. I've tried to explain you can't use the term ten when adding a place to the right side of the decimal, you can only do that with a decimal, or fractional number  less than 1. Way less than ten. lol But, I can't seem to shake the cobwebs loose! M V Sorry! There is no website I can refer you to for common sense. That you'll have to develop on your own. "You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe."  Carl Sagan 

01122012, 07:55 PM
(This post was last modified: 01122012 07:58 PM by joerobo.)
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RE: Connectingdots; 10Xmore debunk, a forum poll, and the bet
This is an issue of semantics, not math.
The argument should be over "does 10x more refined mean the same thing as 10x as pure?" I don't know the answer, but you are both making the same argument from different sides. /dev/null 

01122012, 08:04 PM
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RE: Connectingdots; 10Xmore debunk, a forum poll, and the bet
(01122012 07:55 PM)joerobo Wrote: This is an issue of semantics, not math. I think you boys have one of these on your hands: CD refuses to see the old lady and MV refuses to see the young lady. /dev/null 

01132012, 11:00 PM
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RE: Connectingdots; 10Xmore debunk, a forum poll, and the bet
As far as I can tell.... .9999 has 10x LESS IMPURITIES than .999 based on the info. But I guess you would only be looking at that last .001 if you're using math. Honestly, I think both arguments are correct. Congrats, you all win.
YOU'RE ALL FRACKED! 

01142012, 04:02 AM
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RE: Connectingdots; 10Xmore debunk, a forum poll, and the bet
I've spoken to a college professor and he said we are both right,
.9999 is onetenth of one percent (.1%) purer, and 10 times purer than .999 but CD's math doesn't add up if he is saying .9999 is 10 x .999 because he doesn't acknowledge it is only adding .1% , a decimal place: His 'phrase' (ten times) when translated to math is: 10 X .999 = 9.99 See? If he understood the math, he'd show it. He hasn't. But, since the learned Prof said it's a scratch, it's a win on both cards. The phrase ten times more is a sales gimmick meant to impress you. To make you think you're getting more value. You're not. Here's an interesting tidbit you may want to consider before you buy into the .9999 sales pitch: There is no way to test for it. Nope. Nada. That's why the price of a Troy ounce at.999 and at .9999 fine silver is so close. And, most times the .999 is slightly cheaper. What's the point of investing in one coin said to be of more value (Only CD is saying this, you understand) when if you want to sell, no one can test the difference, so essentially, they are equal? Things that make you go hmmmm. M V Sorry! There is no website I can refer you to for common sense. That you'll have to develop on your own. "You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe."  Carl Sagan 

01142012, 06:00 AM
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RE: Connectingdots; 10Xmore debunk, a forum poll, and the bet
(01122012 08:04 PM)joerobo Wrote:(01122012 07:55 PM)joerobo Wrote: This is an issue of semantics, not math. actually I was able to see both of them,,,not that it matter however purity does matter and being TEN TIMES MORE pure DOES MATTER...it's reason why it's said in so many places,,,he keeps inferring to my math, it's not my math or my words, the internet is load with the same quotes...I only look for 1.5 minutes and this is what I turned up,,,if you guys need more proof then let me know but from what I'm getting form this thread and mine, most of you have this under a wrap! good! so....now why buy something 10 times less pure for more money? and...especially when the resale value is the same ? Information is the Key and sharing is my motto so here's more videos on silver: Silver Stuff ..cause i'm done in this thread and heading over here Canadian Silver Maple Leafs 10 TIMES MORE PURE than ASE's," A Smart choice" 

01142012, 06:20 AM
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RE: Connectingdots; 10Xmore debunk, a forum poll, and the bet
(01142012 06:00 AM)connectingdots1 Wrote: if you guys need more proof then let me know but from what I'm getting form this thread and mine, most of you have this under a wrap! Really? And, what wrap is that, exactly? Cause this thread has a five star rating ... yours is two stars. And the poll does not favor you at all. I think folks are just sick and tired of your relentless ten times more ... God, I sure am. M V Sorry! There is no website I can refer you to for common sense. That you'll have to develop on your own. "You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe."  Carl Sagan 

01202012, 01:59 AM
(This post was last modified: 01202012 02:01 AM by silversurfer.)
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RE: Connectingdots; 10Xmore debunk, a forum poll, and the bet
At least put 1 measly out in your poll for CD. Rigged Poll. All poll questions weighted bias toward Markvette . Balanced weighted pollquestions are non existent in this poll.


01202012, 03:02 AM
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RE: Connectingdots; 10Xmore debunk, a forum poll, and the bet
(01202012 01:59 AM)silversurfer Wrote: At least put 1 measly out in your poll for CD. Rigged Poll. All poll questions weighted bias toward Markvette . Balanced weighted pollquestions are non existent in this poll. Dang. You DO have a bug up your bum about me getting on CD, don't ya? This isn't a scientific poll, silly surfer. You've taken the out, if you don't participate. Tell me, how is this biased: Yes, we all think CD's math is spot on. No, the forum thinks CD is way off Either you do, or you don't. Undecided? Don't vote. And this: CD speaks for everyone here, we say so! CD does not represent us, and we resent him saying he does. Is in reference to his constant inclusion of all members of the forum agreeing with him whenever he speaks  as if he is the forum's leader and everyone else follows by default. So, obviously you're a fan of his, but ... You've never noticed how he does that? Seriously? Anyway ... As before; can't decide if he is speaking for you? Don't answer the poll question. Why is this so hard for ya? And, where is it said Markvette benefits from any of the questions? I didn't ask if MY math was better than his. Did I? So, what's the point of your post? Is this just you getting your 'freak on', posting freak? Are you really trying to defend the 'salesman'? Or just protesting the poll, which .. again ... is not considered an accurate representation of any trend or support (or lack, thereof) for or against, CD or myself. It is just for fun. You do remember what fun is, right? Had to ask, 'cause it doesn't seem like you're havin' any. lol M V Sorry! There is no website I can refer you to for common sense. That you'll have to develop on your own. "You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe."  Carl Sagan 

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